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	<title>Comments on: The Chimera Hypothesis: Homosexuality and Plural Pregnancy</title>
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		<title>By: Travis Cottreau</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2008/07/14/the-chimera-hypothesis-homosexuality-and-plural-pregnancy/comment-page-1/#comment-5389</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Cottreau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another explanation for male homosexuality - it also explains all the factors, and predicts known male homosexuality rates:
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/sexually_antagonistic_selection_a_darwinian_evolution_model_for_homosexuality

This doesn&#039;t say that the chimera explanation is not involved - it may well be, just that sexual antagonism long known in animals may also be present in humans and explain male homosexuality.

Also, it&#039;s believed that female homosexuality is a different phenomenon, since sexual antagonism doesn&#039;t match observations in female homosexuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another explanation for male homosexuality &#8211; it also explains all the factors, and predicts known male homosexuality rates:<br />
<a href="http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/sexually_antagonistic_selection_a_darwinian_evolution_model_for_homosexuality" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/sexually_antagonistic_selection_a_darwinian_evolution_model_for_homosexuality</a></p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t say that the chimera explanation is not involved &#8211; it may well be, just that sexual antagonism long known in animals may also be present in humans and explain male homosexuality.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s believed that female homosexuality is a different phenomenon, since sexual antagonism doesn&#8217;t match observations in female homosexuality.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn&#039;t anyone testing your theory? 

I have g/g/b triplets and I see A LOT of feminine characteristics in my boy.  He&#039;s only five, so it&#039;s not like I have any way of knowing at this point if he will be gay, but I would consider it a future possibility.  

I know a tremendous amount of triplet families with fraternal mixed set triplets.  Why not follow us and see what ends up happening in 10-15 years?  What percentage of our g/g/b or b/b/g triplets will end up gay or lesbian due to environmental conditions in the womb?  We are the perfect group to pose this question to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t anyone testing your theory? </p>
<p>I have g/g/b triplets and I see A LOT of feminine characteristics in my boy.  He&#8217;s only five, so it&#8217;s not like I have any way of knowing at this point if he will be gay, but I would consider it a future possibility.  </p>
<p>I know a tremendous amount of triplet families with fraternal mixed set triplets.  Why not follow us and see what ends up happening in 10-15 years?  What percentage of our g/g/b or b/b/g triplets will end up gay or lesbian due to environmental conditions in the womb?  We are the perfect group to pose this question to.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Bhetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Bhetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After preliminary consultation with my colleagues, it is as I thought: the Elsevier group that the journal belongs to is respectable, at least. I think you already know this, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After preliminary consultation with my colleagues, it is as I thought: the Elsevier group that the journal belongs to is respectable, at least. I think you already know this, though.</p>
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		<title>By: The end remains in the hand of the puller - Sam Hardwick &#124; The straight line</title>
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		<dc:creator>The end remains in the hand of the puller - Sam Hardwick &#124; The straight line</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mentioned a theory about the biology of homosexuality I&#8217;d heard about to my sister the biologist a while ago [...]</description>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about KRISTANNA LOKEN, who is bisexual, and has a lesbian twin sister?  Besides the vanishing twin, do you think that a substantial number of twin births have a &quot;vanishing triplet&quot;?

(Loken is an actress who was in a relationship with Michelle Rodriguez, which was in my opinion the best looking lesbian couple ever. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about KRISTANNA LOKEN, who is bisexual, and has a lesbian twin sister?  Besides the vanishing twin, do you think that a substantial number of twin births have a &#8220;vanishing triplet&#8221;?</p>
<p>(Loken is an actress who was in a relationship with Michelle Rodriguez, which was in my opinion the best looking lesbian couple ever. )</p>
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		<title>By: georgesdelatour</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgesdelatour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian

As Welmer explains, homosexual men tend to show certain physical characteristics, such as more feminized brain structures, which strongly suggest their sexuality has a real physical basis, and is not simply a response to childhood abuse. But by all means let&#039;s look for evidence for your theory too. If you&#039;re right, the pattern should be pretty hard to miss once the data&#039;s collected.

Natural Manhood

The important thing about humans is that their children need parental nurture and protection for far longer than most other species. This gives a genetic advantage to mothers and fathers that form long-term bonds. So comparing human sexuality with all other mammals may not be relevant. 

There&#039;s a distinction between homosexual acts occurring in segregated environments (prisons, monasteries, nunneries etc), where it&#039;s the only sex available, and homosexuality in the midst of heterosexual possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian</p>
<p>As Welmer explains, homosexual men tend to show certain physical characteristics, such as more feminized brain structures, which strongly suggest their sexuality has a real physical basis, and is not simply a response to childhood abuse. But by all means let&#8217;s look for evidence for your theory too. If you&#8217;re right, the pattern should be pretty hard to miss once the data&#8217;s collected.</p>
<p>Natural Manhood</p>
<p>The important thing about humans is that their children need parental nurture and protection for far longer than most other species. This gives a genetic advantage to mothers and fathers that form long-term bonds. So comparing human sexuality with all other mammals may not be relevant. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a distinction between homosexual acts occurring in segregated environments (prisons, monasteries, nunneries etc), where it&#8217;s the only sex available, and homosexuality in the midst of heterosexual possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>References to primary sources please! An excellent and thought-provoking article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>References to primary sources please! An excellent and thought-provoking article.</p>
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		<title>By: Natural Manhood</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2008/07/14/the-chimera-hypothesis-homosexuality-and-plural-pregnancy/comment-page-1/#comment-847</link>
		<dc:creator>Natural Manhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Brian (comment no. 10)

Brian: [...]Thus, young boys who are molested by men (or who by accident or happenstance find themselves in a situation they perceive or sense as sexual around a male or males) may be inclined towards homosexual feelings or behaviors. [...]

You are actually very right. But, going by the same explanation, don&#039;t you think, it is also possible that the societies in general and the West in particular  makes boys heterosexual by forcing proxmity with women on them, and through various social mechansisms that make sure that boys channel their sexuality towards heterosexuality rather than towards other males.

Now, for a second, if we look at it objectively, without saying which sexuality is &#039;healthier&#039; or more natural... then heterosexuality can be explained in much the same way as &#039;homosexuality.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Brian (comment no. 10)</p>
<p>Brian: [...]Thus, young boys who are molested by men (or who by accident or happenstance find themselves in a situation they perceive or sense as sexual around a male or males) may be inclined towards homosexual feelings or behaviors. [...]</p>
<p>You are actually very right. But, going by the same explanation, don&#8217;t you think, it is also possible that the societies in general and the West in particular  makes boys heterosexual by forcing proxmity with women on them, and through various social mechansisms that make sure that boys channel their sexuality towards heterosexuality rather than towards other males.</p>
<p>Now, for a second, if we look at it objectively, without saying which sexuality is &#8216;healthier&#8217; or more natural&#8230; then heterosexuality can be explained in much the same way as &#8216;homosexuality.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Natural Manhood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natural Manhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]most men prefer women and most women prefer men[...]

The above statement is not validated by empirical evidences from contemporary non-westernized societies, from ancient pre-christian societies, and from the mammalian world.

Mammalian males do not, as a rule have a heterosexual orientation. They just have heterosexual sex once in a blue moon, and that too only for reproduction. Only a small proportion of males engage in reproduction in any given mating season, and a big proportion of males never mate to reproduce at all. Also, male-female interaction is in most cases limited to depositing the semen for reproduction… its like wham bam thank you mam. Mammalian males and females have no romantic or even social interaction with each other as adults (apart from possibly as mother-son or siblings).

On the contrary, mammalian males have lots of sex amongst each other the entire year. And its near universal. So, if there is any truly constant orientation amongst mammalian males, it towards other males not towards females. Also, the only romantic, bonds as committed couples that exist in the wild amongst mammals are between two males… and these can be of short duration as well as life-long, could also be monogamous.

I think the Western science needs to get over trying to fit natural facts into its preferred theories and for a moment try to adjust their theories — and reinvent them if need be — to the natural facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]most men prefer women and most women prefer men[...]</p>
<p>The above statement is not validated by empirical evidences from contemporary non-westernized societies, from ancient pre-christian societies, and from the mammalian world.</p>
<p>Mammalian males do not, as a rule have a heterosexual orientation. They just have heterosexual sex once in a blue moon, and that too only for reproduction. Only a small proportion of males engage in reproduction in any given mating season, and a big proportion of males never mate to reproduce at all. Also, male-female interaction is in most cases limited to depositing the semen for reproduction… its like wham bam thank you mam. Mammalian males and females have no romantic or even social interaction with each other as adults (apart from possibly as mother-son or siblings).</p>
<p>On the contrary, mammalian males have lots of sex amongst each other the entire year. And its near universal. So, if there is any truly constant orientation amongst mammalian males, it towards other males not towards females. Also, the only romantic, bonds as committed couples that exist in the wild amongst mammals are between two males… and these can be of short duration as well as life-long, could also be monogamous.</p>
<p>I think the Western science needs to get over trying to fit natural facts into its preferred theories and for a moment try to adjust their theories — and reinvent them if need be — to the natural facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Natural Manhood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natural Manhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(plz publish this comment instead of the previous one)
The  statement -- &quot;most men prefer women and most women prefer men, but this obviously isn’t a hard-and-fast rule: some men clearly prefer men to women and some women prefer women to men&quot; -- is not validated by empirical evidences from contemporary non-westernized societies, from ancient pre-christian societies, and from the mammalian world.

Mammalian males do not, as a rule have a heterosexual orientation. They just have heterosexual sex once in a blue moon, and that too only for reproduction. Only a small proportion of males engage in reproduction in any given mating season, and a big proportion of males never mate to reproduce at all. Also, male-female interaction is in most cases limited to depositing the semen for reproduction... its like wham bam thank you mam. Mammalian males and females have no romantic or even social interaction with each other as adults (apart from possibly as mother-son or siblings).

On the contrary, mammalian males have lots of sex amongst each other the entire year. And its near universal. So, if there is any truly constant orientation amongst mammalian males, it towards other males not towards females. Also, the only romantic, bonds as committed couples that exist in the wild amongst mammals are between two males... and these can be of short duration as well as life-long, could also be monogamous.

I think the Western science needs to get over trying to fit natural facts into its preferred theories and for a moment try to adjust their theories -- and reinvent them if need be -- to the natural facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(plz publish this comment instead of the previous one)<br />
The  statement &#8212; &#8220;most men prefer women and most women prefer men, but this obviously isn’t a hard-and-fast rule: some men clearly prefer men to women and some women prefer women to men&#8221; &#8212; is not validated by empirical evidences from contemporary non-westernized societies, from ancient pre-christian societies, and from the mammalian world.</p>
<p>Mammalian males do not, as a rule have a heterosexual orientation. They just have heterosexual sex once in a blue moon, and that too only for reproduction. Only a small proportion of males engage in reproduction in any given mating season, and a big proportion of males never mate to reproduce at all. Also, male-female interaction is in most cases limited to depositing the semen for reproduction&#8230; its like wham bam thank you mam. Mammalian males and females have no romantic or even social interaction with each other as adults (apart from possibly as mother-son or siblings).</p>
<p>On the contrary, mammalian males have lots of sex amongst each other the entire year. And its near universal. So, if there is any truly constant orientation amongst mammalian males, it towards other males not towards females. Also, the only romantic, bonds as committed couples that exist in the wild amongst mammals are between two males&#8230; and these can be of short duration as well as life-long, could also be monogamous.</p>
<p>I think the Western science needs to get over trying to fit natural facts into its preferred theories and for a moment try to adjust their theories &#8212; and reinvent them if need be &#8212; to the natural facts.</p>
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