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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/05/27/more-on-mens-sanctuaries/comment-page-1/#comment-2120</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Lukobe, thanks, I have blogged it myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Lukobe, thanks, I have blogged it myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukobe</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/05/27/more-on-mens-sanctuaries/comment-page-1/#comment-1941</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw this in the (University of Washington) &lt;i&gt;Daily&lt;/i&gt;: http://dailyuw.com/2009/6/1/campus-watchmen-power-graduation-ban/

A junior at the University of Chicago formed a club, Men in Power, &quot;following enthusiastic support of a column he wrote for the student newspaper challenging the lack of advocacy groups for men.&quot; There are now 125 members — and some of them are women! But, of course, there are detractors.

One, the president of Women in Business at the U of C, says &quot;she wasn&#039;t &#039;sure [the campus] really need[s] another student organization that focuses on preprofessional development for men.&quot; Another, a member of Feminist Majority, says, &quot;It&#039;s like starting &#039;white men in business.&#039; There&#039;s not really any purpose.&quot;

I should think that if 125 members, some of whom are women, think there&#039;s a purpose, that speaks for itself.

Here&#039;s founder Saltarelli&#039;s original article: http://www.chicagomaroon.com/2009/3/2/men-in-power</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw this in the (University of Washington) <i>Daily</i>: <a href="http://dailyuw.com/2009/6/1/campus-watchmen-power-graduation-ban/" rel="nofollow">http://dailyuw.com/2009/6/1/campus-watchmen-power-graduation-ban/</a></p>
<p>A junior at the University of Chicago formed a club, Men in Power, &#8220;following enthusiastic support of a column he wrote for the student newspaper challenging the lack of advocacy groups for men.&#8221; There are now 125 members — and some of them are women! But, of course, there are detractors.</p>
<p>One, the president of Women in Business at the U of C, says &#8220;she wasn&#8217;t &#8216;sure [the campus] really need[s] another student organization that focuses on preprofessional development for men.&#8221; Another, a member of Feminist Majority, says, &#8220;It&#8217;s like starting &#8216;white men in business.&#8217; There&#8217;s not really any purpose.&#8221;</p>
<p>I should think that if 125 members, some of whom are women, think there&#8217;s a purpose, that speaks for itself.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s founder Saltarelli&#8217;s original article: <a href="http://www.chicagomaroon.com/2009/3/2/men-in-power" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagomaroon.com/2009/3/2/men-in-power</a></p>
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		<title>By: Niko</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/05/27/more-on-mens-sanctuaries/comment-page-1/#comment-1858</link>
		<dc:creator>Niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No faggy, femized, misandrized, liberal, marxist gynocratic, crying, outreach, howling in the wilderness poofter lodge.

No feminist reaction ism  which leads to a futher liberal dialecticism and genderization.

Nothing but old school clubs where blokes operate on their own terms and have time and networks to square their shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No faggy, femized, misandrized, liberal, marxist gynocratic, crying, outreach, howling in the wilderness poofter lodge.</p>
<p>No feminist reaction ism  which leads to a futher liberal dialecticism and genderization.</p>
<p>Nothing but old school clubs where blokes operate on their own terms and have time and networks to square their shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is especially important given the disappearance of the father from the lives of boys.  Given that almost half of boys do not have their father at home, any effort at men&#039;s support should start with supporting and reaching out to young men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is especially important given the disappearance of the father from the lives of boys.  Given that almost half of boys do not have their father at home, any effort at men&#8217;s support should start with supporting and reaching out to young men.</p>
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		<title>By: miles</title>
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		<dc:creator>miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archery club? Golf Driving range? Shooting club? A house with plenty of computer jacks for gamers? Just throwing out ideas. The above ideas could be &quot;ruse&quot; excuses for the club to exist when it actually exists for something else. 

A check of father&#039;s rights groups might yield some interested parties. It would be great if there were the classic old drawing room men&#039;s clubs where guys could plot, plan, and scheme business with moles on the planning commissions and zoning boards like the old days. Maybe thats what the Masons are -really- about (LOL). It seems like all the developers (and city alderman, town council members, the mayor and vice mayor) in my little town do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archery club? Golf Driving range? Shooting club? A house with plenty of computer jacks for gamers? Just throwing out ideas. The above ideas could be &#8220;ruse&#8221; excuses for the club to exist when it actually exists for something else. </p>
<p>A check of father&#8217;s rights groups might yield some interested parties. It would be great if there were the classic old drawing room men&#8217;s clubs where guys could plot, plan, and scheme business with moles on the planning commissions and zoning boards like the old days. Maybe thats what the Masons are -really- about (LOL). It seems like all the developers (and city alderman, town council members, the mayor and vice mayor) in my little town do that.</p>
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		<title>By: novaseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>novaseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are good ideas.  We should do this.

Legally I do not think it would be an issue for private not-for-profit clubs -- you can exclude people you do not want in them, including on the basis of gender.  Most of the situations we remember about men&#039;s spaces being colonized by women were not due to lawsuits but rather due to organized social pressure.

I think at this point in time we&#039;re not as likely to get blowback.

On that note, similar things are happening in other veins.  Look at this story: http://tinyurl.com/ry6rbc

It seems some enterprising young men are moving forward and re-starting groups for men on campus.  This is *exactly* what we need to see!

Things are happening, men.  I think our word is reaching more and more men and things are happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are good ideas.  We should do this.</p>
<p>Legally I do not think it would be an issue for private not-for-profit clubs &#8212; you can exclude people you do not want in them, including on the basis of gender.  Most of the situations we remember about men&#8217;s spaces being colonized by women were not due to lawsuits but rather due to organized social pressure.</p>
<p>I think at this point in time we&#8217;re not as likely to get blowback.</p>
<p>On that note, similar things are happening in other veins.  Look at this story: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ry6rbc" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ry6rbc</a></p>
<p>It seems some enterprising young men are moving forward and re-starting groups for men on campus.  This is *exactly* what we need to see!</p>
<p>Things are happening, men.  I think our word is reaching more and more men and things are happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Niko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 08:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legal Structure: Private concern, Incorporated, Association, Trust

Financial structure:  Charitable, for profit, membership 

Affiliation:  Stand alone, religious, linked to current organization 

Mission: Health/Fitness, Entertainment, Shelter  etc.

Charitable/ Funding potential

The history of successful  like organizations are overwhelmingly membership based that provide a specific service but have an overriding charitable or religious mission.    

The classic example is the YMCA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal Structure: Private concern, Incorporated, Association, Trust</p>
<p>Financial structure:  Charitable, for profit, membership </p>
<p>Affiliation:  Stand alone, religious, linked to current organization </p>
<p>Mission: Health/Fitness, Entertainment, Shelter  etc.</p>
<p>Charitable/ Funding potential</p>
<p>The history of successful  like organizations are overwhelmingly membership based that provide a specific service but have an overriding charitable or religious mission.    </p>
<p>The classic example is the YMCA.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard to beat either 
http://groups.google.com
or
http://groups.yahoo.com/

You can install your own, if you want to use Welmer.org as the server, but the above solutions seem to have that beat as far as convenience goes. Then again, use Welmer.org and you have closer control over the archives, I suppose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majordomo_(software)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to beat either<br />
<a href="http://groups.google.com" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com</a><br />
or<br />
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/" rel="nofollow">http://groups.yahoo.com/</a></p>
<p>You can install your own, if you want to use Welmer.org as the server, but the above solutions seem to have that beat as far as convenience goes. Then again, use Welmer.org and you have closer control over the archives, I suppose.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majordomo_(software)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majordomo_(software)</a></p>
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