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		<title>By: dissapointed</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/06/08/feminist-poetry-a-glimpse-into-the-female-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-5438</link>
		<dc:creator>dissapointed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that was a really good discussion until the end</description>
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		<title>By: Lukobe</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/06/08/feminist-poetry-a-glimpse-into-the-female-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-2191</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No good straight female musicians? Come on.</description>
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		<title>By: MASCULINIST</title>
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		<dc:creator>MASCULINIST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nova: &quot;I *do* think that women are more sexual, in general, than men are. There are exceptions on both sides to this general trend, but in spite of her book’s shortcomings, I do think that Wolf is correct in that insight.&quot;

Nope.  Women do indeed have deeper and more intricate fantasies about sex as you say, but men of course have &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; higher levels of testosterone than women, and testosterone is of course the main hormone which sparks and drives the libido.  On average, an adult human male body produces about forty to sixty times more testosterone than an adult female body - and as a result men are biologically more sexual than women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nova: &#8220;I *do* think that women are more sexual, in general, than men are. There are exceptions on both sides to this general trend, but in spite of her book’s shortcomings, I do think that Wolf is correct in that insight.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope.  Women do indeed have deeper and more intricate fantasies about sex as you say, but men of course have <i>much</i> higher levels of testosterone than women, and testosterone is of course the main hormone which sparks and drives the libido.  On average, an adult human male body produces about forty to sixty times more testosterone than an adult female body &#8211; and as a result men are biologically more sexual than women.</p>
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		<title>By: MASCULINIST</title>
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		<dc:creator>MASCULINIST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw the feminist trash...females clearly aren&#039;t capable of the higher art forms like males are, and female artists of any kind rarely if ever rise above the mediocre; this is because females lack idealism to such a frightening degree (the quality most necessary for art which is fully authentic, deeply felt, and &#039;true&#039;) because they become bitter and cynical by their late teens before their artistic faculties ever fully mature.  The only admirable female artists in history have all been without exception lesbians (lesbians = masculine mind in female body) - the same goes for good female musicians, painters, philosophers, politicians, businesspeople, scientists, and so on...lesbians all.

BE PROUD THAT YOU ARE A MAN, FOR THE HIGHER FORMS OF ARTISTIC, RELIGIOUS, AND PHILOSOPHICAL CONSCIOUSNESS ARE ONLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE MASCULINE:

+ &quot;Hawk Roosting&quot; by Ted Hughes - http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/42.html

+ &quot;The Triumph of the Machine&quot; by DH Lawrence - http://www.kalliope.org/digt.pl?longdid=lawrence2001061629a

+ &quot;WITH USURA&quot; by Ezra Pound - http://reactor-core.org/usura.html

+ &quot;Progress&quot; by Matthew Arnold - http://www.bartleby.com/236/125.html

+ &quot;Fire and Ice&quot; by R. Frost - http://www.bartleby.com/122/12.html

Hell, even gay male poets manage to write much better poetry than even the best female poets despite their feminized gay brains; read:

+ &quot;The Dalliance of the Eagles&quot; by W. Whitman - http://www.bartleby.com/142/269.html

+ &quot;The Windhover&quot; by GM Hopkins - http://www.bartleby.com/122/12.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw the feminist trash&#8230;females clearly aren&#8217;t capable of the higher art forms like males are, and female artists of any kind rarely if ever rise above the mediocre; this is because females lack idealism to such a frightening degree (the quality most necessary for art which is fully authentic, deeply felt, and &#8216;true&#8217;) because they become bitter and cynical by their late teens before their artistic faculties ever fully mature.  The only admirable female artists in history have all been without exception lesbians (lesbians = masculine mind in female body) &#8211; the same goes for good female musicians, painters, philosophers, politicians, businesspeople, scientists, and so on&#8230;lesbians all.</p>
<p>BE PROUD THAT YOU ARE A MAN, FOR THE HIGHER FORMS OF ARTISTIC, RELIGIOUS, AND PHILOSOPHICAL CONSCIOUSNESS ARE ONLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE MASCULINE:</p>
<p>+ &#8220;Hawk Roosting&#8221; by Ted Hughes &#8211; <a href="http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/42.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/42.html</a></p>
<p>+ &#8220;The Triumph of the Machine&#8221; by DH Lawrence &#8211; <a href="http://www.kalliope.org/digt.pl?longdid=lawrence2001061629a" rel="nofollow">http://www.kalliope.org/digt.pl?longdid=lawrence2001061629a</a></p>
<p>+ &#8220;WITH USURA&#8221; by Ezra Pound &#8211; <a href="http://reactor-core.org/usura.html" rel="nofollow">http://reactor-core.org/usura.html</a></p>
<p>+ &#8220;Progress&#8221; by Matthew Arnold &#8211; <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/236/125.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bartleby.com/236/125.html</a></p>
<p>+ &#8220;Fire and Ice&#8221; by R. Frost &#8211; <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/122/12.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bartleby.com/122/12.html</a></p>
<p>Hell, even gay male poets manage to write much better poetry than even the best female poets despite their feminized gay brains; read:</p>
<p>+ &#8220;The Dalliance of the Eagles&#8221; by W. Whitman &#8211; <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/142/269.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bartleby.com/142/269.html</a></p>
<p>+ &#8220;The Windhover&#8221; by GM Hopkins &#8211; <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/122/12.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bartleby.com/122/12.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lukobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point regarding the lyrical tradition.</description>
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		<title>By: novaseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>novaseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I think about these things was influenced by Naomi Wolf&#039;s book &quot;Promiscuities&quot;.  While the book is rather poorly written and contains some wild and crazy conclusions -- as one can expect from someone like Wolf -- one of the main points of the book seems quite true to me:  women are the more sexual sex and the more sex-obsessed sex.  She bases this largely on the nature of female orgasm and the increased number of erogenous zones and so on, but also on female sexual fantasization, which Wolf views, in a typically misandrist way, as more wide-ranging and &quot;lush&quot; than male sexual fantasization.

So basically she concludes that women are more sexual and more concerned with sex than men are - and of course she blames &quot;patriarchy&quot; fur suppression of female sexuality, claiming that men knew that female sexuality was stronger than male sexuality, and feared it, so they suppressed it.  In reality, of course, the suppression of female sexuality had to do with ensuring paternity, but it was likely based on a keen knowledge of the sexuality of women, and how sexual women, in fact, are -- hence the belts and suspenders approach that was taken to female infidelity.

I *do* think that women are more sexual, in general, than men are.  There are exceptions on both sides to this general trend, but in spite of her book&#039;s shortcomings, I do think that Wolf is correct in that insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I think about these things was influenced by Naomi Wolf&#8217;s book &#8220;Promiscuities&#8221;.  While the book is rather poorly written and contains some wild and crazy conclusions &#8212; as one can expect from someone like Wolf &#8212; one of the main points of the book seems quite true to me:  women are the more sexual sex and the more sex-obsessed sex.  She bases this largely on the nature of female orgasm and the increased number of erogenous zones and so on, but also on female sexual fantasization, which Wolf views, in a typically misandrist way, as more wide-ranging and &#8220;lush&#8221; than male sexual fantasization.</p>
<p>So basically she concludes that women are more sexual and more concerned with sex than men are &#8211; and of course she blames &#8220;patriarchy&#8221; fur suppression of female sexuality, claiming that men knew that female sexuality was stronger than male sexuality, and feared it, so they suppressed it.  In reality, of course, the suppression of female sexuality had to do with ensuring paternity, but it was likely based on a keen knowledge of the sexuality of women, and how sexual women, in fact, are &#8212; hence the belts and suspenders approach that was taken to female infidelity.</p>
<p>I *do* think that women are more sexual, in general, than men are.  There are exceptions on both sides to this general trend, but in spite of her book&#8217;s shortcomings, I do think that Wolf is correct in that insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Welmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The raunchiest Dylan song I can think of is &quot;Lay Lady Lay,&quot; which is actually kind of tender and sentimental. 

As for the Jewish angle, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a coincidence, but it isn&#039;t because they&#039;re Jewish so much as the fact that they came from a lyrical tradition, as did some American country singers back in the old days. There is a lot more poetry in old American country songs than one finds in pop music. 

Even so, I think you&#039;ve got to decide whether it&#039;s music accompanied by lyrics, or lyrics by music. The latter could be called poetry, but not the former. 

But back to the point, sexually explicit lyrics seem to be directed mainly toward teenage boys or female fans. The more sexually suggestive a song is, the more it is appreciated by female fans, from what I&#039;ve seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The raunchiest Dylan song I can think of is &#8220;Lay Lady Lay,&#8221; which is actually kind of tender and sentimental. </p>
<p>As for the Jewish angle, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a coincidence, but it isn&#8217;t because they&#8217;re Jewish so much as the fact that they came from a lyrical tradition, as did some American country singers back in the old days. There is a lot more poetry in old American country songs than one finds in pop music. </p>
<p>Even so, I think you&#8217;ve got to decide whether it&#8217;s music accompanied by lyrics, or lyrics by music. The latter could be called poetry, but not the former. </p>
<p>But back to the point, sexually explicit lyrics seem to be directed mainly toward teenage boys or female fans. The more sexually suggestive a song is, the more it is appreciated by female fans, from what I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point — but for a while there, pop music was almost obligated to have lyrics, and those lyrics were almost obligated to be about love, sex, or some combination thereof. I don&#039;t know. There are definitely some who probably considered their own lyrics some form of poetry — Dylan, Simon, Cohen, are the three that immediately come to mind. Simon never got too raunchy. Not sure about Dylan. Cohen certainly did. I wonder if it&#039;s a coincidence they&#039;re all Jews (though from Minnesota, Queens, and Montreal, respectively).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point — but for a while there, pop music was almost obligated to have lyrics, and those lyrics were almost obligated to be about love, sex, or some combination thereof. I don&#8217;t know. There are definitely some who probably considered their own lyrics some form of poetry — Dylan, Simon, Cohen, are the three that immediately come to mind. Simon never got too raunchy. Not sure about Dylan. Cohen certainly did. I wonder if it&#8217;s a coincidence they&#8217;re all Jews (though from Minnesota, Queens, and Montreal, respectively).</p>
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		<title>By: Welmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about that, and I was going to include Bob Dylan and Led Zeppelin, but then it would have been too long. I wanted to mention Led Zeppelin in particular because of some of the sexually explicit lyrics.

I also considered including rap.

However, I wonder whether we ought to draw a distinction between poetry and pop music. I think perhaps we should, except in a few cases, such as Dylan. For the most part, modern music is not so much about the lyrics, whereas poetry is &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; about the lyrics, even if they are intended to have a musical quality, as in Dylan Thomas&#039;s works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about that, and I was going to include Bob Dylan and Led Zeppelin, but then it would have been too long. I wanted to mention Led Zeppelin in particular because of some of the sexually explicit lyrics.</p>
<p>I also considered including rap.</p>
<p>However, I wonder whether we ought to draw a distinction between poetry and pop music. I think perhaps we should, except in a few cases, such as Dylan. For the most part, modern music is not so much about the lyrics, whereas poetry is <i>only</i> about the lyrics, even if they are intended to have a musical quality, as in Dylan Thomas&#8217;s works.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. One place you do find love — indeed erotic, or at least sexually charged — poetry written by men is in modern song lyrics. What do you make of those?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. One place you do find love — indeed erotic, or at least sexually charged — poetry written by men is in modern song lyrics. What do you make of those?</p>
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