So true Welmer.

Authority ultimately rests in who wields the coercive power of violence (direct and indirect).

Authority was once vested in the husband (the historical reality of domestic violence), the conservatives took the moral high ground and the state became the wife’s advocate thereby vesting the power of violence with the wife.

SO TRUE……………..A phone call from a woman will get a man arrested with no evidence whatsoever. A woman long married to a man will easily take half his fortune, and he will pay her alimony till the day she dies. They literally own half your carcass if you have been married to them for many years.

Anonymous Ghost,

There are a few *real* alpha males out there, but they are childless playas’ who make good money that can endlessly lead women on and pump and dump them.

To be a real ALPHA male with our legal system the way it is, a guy has to have a good job or business making lots of money, and then would have to have a surrogate mom give him a few kids that were his ALONE, and then he could play the field with a vengance———telling women lies until old age pumping and dumping them while getting to raise HIS kids the way he sees fit. That guy would NOT be in submission to the matriarchy the leftists wish to impose. There probably aren’t 500 of such men out there in the U.S. tonight though, but it could be done.

Authority ultimately rests in who wields the coercive power of violence (direct and indirect).

Authority was once vested in the husband (the historical reality of domestic violence), the conservatives took the moral high ground and the state became the wife’s advocate thereby vesting the power of violence with the wife.

The trap conservatives find themselves in is that many of them want to overturn the social revolution that happened in the 60s and 70s, and so they personally favor embracing values and attitudes that pre-date that revolution.

The problem with that is that some of those attitudes — particularly the chivalrous ones which tend to elevate concerns of women above those of men — actually serve to advance that revolution rather than overturn it. Yet the conservatives are not willing to abandon those attitudes, because they are fond of them, they are nostalgic of them, and — as conservatives — they think that this is the *right* way to think about and treat women. Treating women as equals (throwing away the favoritism of chivalry) feels to conservatives like capitulation to the revolution, when in fact it is nothing of the sort.

The revolution was never about equality, and by now has pressed well beyond equality towards matriarchal supremacy in almost all areas of life where men and women brush up against each other. Insisting on equality, under the current circumstances, is not furthering the revolution, but is a fallback position which insists that women be taken to account for pursuing female advantage, rather than equality among the sexes. Under the current circumstances, insisting on equality *is* conservative relative to where the mainstream is, because the mainstream is female supremacy now.

But the word “equality” is anathema to many conservatives precisely because it was a revolutionary slogan, because it doesn’t seem conservative, and because they have a deep nostalgia for the olden days — days which they are very reluctant to admit are not coming back anytime soon. In a way, falling back to the beachhead of equality is something of a come-uppance for conservatives, because it emphasizes to them just how badly they have lost the cultural warfare in the last few decades, such that even a fallback position is now in a place where the revolutionaries set their initial goal, but which has long since been moved past by them in their march towards supremacy for their own sex.

The culture — men, mostly — is slowly beginning to recognize that men are basically becoming social untertans. Whether conservatives will wake up, swallow their pride, and adopt a more pragmatic and less nostalgic position remains to be seen, but I am not optimistic that they will, given their general preference for ideology over pragmatism.

AnonymousGhost // Jun 25, 2009 at 11:28 pm

There are no secret alliances between feminists and conservatives. Just the same characteristic weak-kneed submission to women that is common to all outwardly loud and masterful men, right across the political divide.

Good point. It isn’t really secret, but for some reason it is never revealed as a matter of course.

Lukobe // Jun 25, 2009 at 10:48 pm

I do wonder if that isn’t what’s going on, when all is said and done — no matter what things look like, there really is a cabal of old white men running things.

Well, old white fools with their heads firmly up their rears maybe.

Actually, I don’t think there’s any conscious conspiracy, but there is definitely a lot of willful ignorance for the purpose of preserving special interests.

Whatever the case, I’d caution against making it sound like a racial thing — too many young white guys will feel that they’re being attacked in that case. For example, the anti-death penalty cause has been harmed by casting it as a racist conspiracy. When it is portrayed as a racist plot to kill blacks, white guys think that is BS, and they’re right (white guys are actually more likely to get it for the same crime), but if you show that it is actually a result of a general disregard for men’s lives, it gives them pause because you can’t really argue that point away.

To tell the truth, I have never, ever seen a marriage where the man was in charge, outside of fiction and TV dramas. Perhaps they exist – but until I actually see one, why should I be so gullible?

For some clarity on this, have you ever noticed that the wives of Presidents and Prime Ministers have profiles of their own in public matters, and take it as given that their husbands are not elevated in their eyes for something as trivial as being the nation’s leader, but that when that leader is a woman, the husband is a shadowy ghost-like figure who wouldn’t dare comment on public affairs for fear of encroaching on his wife’s territory?

Any man who claims to be ‘alpha’ in this day and age is no more than a boasting fraud. Good luck to him for putting a brave face on a losing situation, but for intelligent guidance, take your cue from real life.

There are no secret alliances between feminists and conservatives. Just the same characteristic weak-kneed submission to women that is common to all outwardly loud and masterful men, right across the political divide.

The sordid alliance between feminists and conservatives of the variety that blame men for all family dissolution really needs some sunshine disinfectant.

The dirty little secret of the above alliance is that the alpha men who are part of it are using it for their own ends–that is, to keep large numbers of betas out of the market for pussy by shaming them.