Common sense, as well as your basic feeling of humanity would lead you to offer her some aspirine from your supply. However if you do it, you have just cut your chances of getting sex from her by about 90%.

Deansdale, I dislike PUA gaming because it represents everything that is wrong with us.

Contemplate this, lad: taking advantage of young women’s bad judgement and emotion weakness is WRONG.

The need for pua may be representing what is wrong with society, but not the pua itself.

Women have shown they will punish the good guys of the society by ignoring them in their peak years and rewarding mostly destructive behavior.

Taking advantage of young women’s bad judgement?

You shitting me?

Women have made their choice. Nobody took advantage of that.

When the girls in my highschool (in a patriarchal society) one after the other jumped all over the three year older basketball jock, and ignored all the ther dudes, they made their choice.

Look at the dvds of pua seminars. What you see is men from all groups. ALL PRODUCTIVE groups who have been fucked over, ignored by women.

What would be most surprising to an ignorant observer would be the amount of really good looking men over there, trying to understand, trying to learn.

What, so because men will not take advantage of the already made bad choices of women, they will stand by the side and enjoy getting fucked over?

No. Just as women do not owe men sex, as some put it (collectively speaking I disagree, individually speaking I agree),

Men do not owe women good behavior, respect etc anymore, as it is unfounded.

Collectively, women have fucked themselves to worhtlessness.

Few women I found who are long term material, but they are paying the price of the behaviors of their sisters, in which many men my age, including me, are reluctant to commit anymore.

Miles, I hear you and agree about the need for men to act more manly in their marriages.

One has to remember,

There are two definitions of man.

By men.

By women.

Replacing acting manly with alpha,

We get two definitions of alpha.

Male definition: Leader of the pack. Protective. Risk taking. The “Man”

Female definition: Wanted/chosen by other women. Rest is unimportant. “Ooooh he is popular”

So acting manly in a marriage, may clash with her understanding, and you are screwed.

Does not pay off.

Game in itself, is not merely acting manly, it is a response to women’s faulty selection criteria, (i.e.: He ignores me. He must be wanted. I am wet) and the unnatural freedom given to them by birth control, std control, abortion, and social support for bastards,

Non which exists in nature

And everytime one accuses pua or bad behavior etc, I look at myself living in abundance, and then I look at some of my friends, who are wallowing in a desert of sexlessness (average joes and over), and yes, there is something wrong, and yes things will end bad,

But it was not the teachings of pick up, and female psychology that brought this.

It would actually help these guys.

I think we are facing a generational problem. I’ll bet these nice guy friends of yours came from traditional homes (established during a generation when divorce was not possible) or from single mom homes. They did not see the model of dominant male in the house that keeps a marriage together. You and me know that the man has to be the alpha in his own house, I’m guessing they didn’t.

Frankly, you might as well advise men to make women scared of getting the shit beat out of them if they dare cheat. That would probably be just as effective as anything else. I guess that would qualify you as the alpha in your relationship, right?

Better yet, advance the practice and acceptance of private marriage contracts, to protect the innocent party in any divorce situation, which is the opposite of what no-fault does.

Lots of men who major in things like engineering, physics, biology, microbiology, accounting, and other useful, necessary, wealth-building, civilization-building subjects and careers find themselves blanked beyond belief out at the bars when they start to go look for a wife to start their family with. These same men are amazed that thugs with tons of tattoes and peircings and obviously (to other men) fake ‘tough guy’ personas have women damn near fighting over them, while fairly nice-looking, polite, civilized, erudite, much-higher earning guys get treated like dirt by the same females.

Women no longer have to make wise choices in mating choices Justin. Society will take taxes from you and your family to pay for Jane Slut and her three out-of-wedlock kids she had with three different bikers, give her a Sec8 house, give her foodstamps, pay for her to go to school because she is a single mom, and mandate she be hired to fufill quotas with several large companies all while making her very hard to fire (lawsuits). Society has paved a golden road for single females with children.

These women no longer have to make wise choices and marry law-abiding “nice guys”. They can fufill their “gina tingles” and chase Anti-Hero-like men (think Marlon Brando in the Wild One, unemployed loser-extrodinnaire in a motorcycle gang). Women are GIVEN the kids when divorcing nice guys these days, and GIVEN a huge amount of their former nice-guy-husband’s income for almost two decades, GIVEN half his retirement, and in many cases GIVEN alimony from him for longer than that, and he is often made to pay off her car and provide her with car insurance until she is working on her own. All of this so she can run off with a ponytailed thug.

Men can use “Game” in marriage to make her “gina tingle” for him. Its not pretty, and in fact I was very very against game (combat reverse psychology is what it really is) when I first read of it. However, I have over 10 friends and aquaintances who have been harmed financially badly in divorces that they didn’t want. One has been screwed over twice. These guys have lost a lot of what theyve earned over the first 15-20 years of their working lives because their wives found scuzzy-guys excited them more than their faithful hardworking husbands and attentive fathers of their children. If these men had constantly negged, qualified, performed some takeaways, and did a little flirting right in front of these former ex-wives, and engaged in some tactical “not-nice-guy” behavior, these women might have never have left.

It sucks, but in the West, men are in a precarious marital-legal position from the start, and over the next two generations we will begin to see dsytopic results civilizationally speaking if we cant get it turned around.

A guy can use game to find, woo, and win over a wife, and then use it to keep her married until the kids are grown. If used in this way it does not have to be a negative relationship technique. Not everybody has to use game like Roosh does.

Contemplate this, lad: taking advantage of young women’s bad judgement and emotion weakness is WRONG.

Whatever it takes to get laid, right? It’s just the behavior of a cad, elevated to a psychological science.

Gaming is just like strippers, escorts, and Girls Gone Wild: sounds great as long as you are a single guy. Tell me how you feel about it after you are raising daughters.

The Mystery Method is the book I’d recommend that introduces a system of nomenclature to describe group social dynamics and attraction from a rather sciency perspective. There was a free-MM-Ebook out there at one time, I dont know if thats still out there, but the physical book is assuredly still for sale on Amazon.

Thats the one to read. Ive read others, but the MM is the one that really stands out. It doesn’t have “example” situations much, probably so women can’t read it and remember the examples and explain it to each other. Its written in a way that only those who really want to know will truly grasp it.

I looked into PUA-”stuff” after getting interested in the subject after reading an online article about it. A magazine writer went to a club with Neil Strauss and a few other professional PUA’s, and did the things they told him to do. He was very dissapointed that it worked as well as it did, and had women “too pretty for him” really interested in him. The guy did NOT like “game”, but admitted that it worked. It was an English writer. I dont have the link, but I decided to read up on it after that as an intellectual excercise. Hitting a link once and winding up on Roissy’s blog (roissy.wordpress.com) also introduced me more to the fact that lots of men were “practicing” how to meet and seduce women by using various “methods” to drive the female’s moods from A to B to C to D, and to “build” attraction, build comfort, and build intimacy in very precise steps. I was familiar with “mood scams” and somewhat familiar with some sales psychology, but this was more.

So I finally read the Mystery Method, and was impressed with it. I read a few more books (Ive tried in the past few years to stop reading fiction and only read non-fiction, so I learn useful stuff when I read) on the subject out of intellectual curiosity. Kevin Hogan’s “Irresistable Attraction” and Tony Clink’s “Layguide” also stood out. Ive read a couple of more………one was called Alpha-Male-Something-Or-Other, and one was Roosh V’s, “Bang”. Both had useful information and some breakdowns of these processes from meeting and attracting all the way to getting intimate.

“Game” uses psychology quite a bit. Roissy has written a bunch of good stuff for free that one could access on his blog by simply going through his archives. Qualifying, eliciting values, negs, takeaways, framing interactions, spotting flakes and sluts, intensifying moods, reading behaviors, presentation are things he has blogged about and are in his archived posts that you can go through. He’s obvioiusly read about this stuff a good deal and like Roosh, has used it successfully in real life.

Ive also read some of the archived posts (I dont have the link on me) one night of Tyler Durden, another well known PUA. He had a lot of good information. David DeAngelo is a PUA that others have acclaimed.

Im not a PUA personally, as Im pretty happy with what I have going on, but was interested in learing about it from the psychological perspective—-telling why women do the seemingly bizarre things they sometimes do (like dating guys who are obvious losers and ignoring sometimes wonderful, decent men). Reading about game over a month or so really lets one kind of understand why several behavorial cues set off female’s psychological subconcious attraction buttons because some men come off as “alpha” males……..and women are hardwired to find them attractive even when they aren’t conventionally good-looking, etc.

Its useful stuff to read in my opinion because it helps you understand half of the people on this earth and what attracts them and why they will rationalize some poor decision making on thier own part.

I hope game can help men become more confident and better actors in the world out there, and can help them attract wives and marry sooner as Im worried about the West’s below-replacement birthrates. I also hope it can help even the field out there between the sexes again.

Hope this helps, have a great weekend, M