Comments on: A Few Notes on the Xinjiang Uprising http://www.welmer.org/2009/07/07/a-few-notes-on-the-xinjiang-uprising/ Exploring the East, Revisiting the West Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Welmer http://www.welmer.org/2009/07/07/a-few-notes-on-the-xinjiang-uprising/comment-page-1/#comment-2959 Welmer Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:16:46 +0000 http://www.welmer.org/?p=336#comment-2959 Definitely more like the Soviet Union. However, practically speaking, China doesn't have that much control over remote areas. This is actually part of the problem, because a lot of gangster types (mostly Han -- they see better opportunities for crime away from home) can get away with huge abuses in the autonomous provinces. This is a big contributor to unrest. Definitely more like the Soviet Union. However, practically speaking, China doesn’t have that much control over remote areas. This is actually part of the problem, because a lot of gangster types (mostly Han — they see better opportunities for crime away from home) can get away with huge abuses in the autonomous provinces. This is a big contributor to unrest.

]]> By: Lukobe http://www.welmer.org/2009/07/07/a-few-notes-on-the-xinjiang-uprising/comment-page-1/#comment-2957 Lukobe Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:31:43 +0000 http://www.welmer.org/?p=336#comment-2957 "China Official Threatens Death Penalty After Riots" http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/world/asia/09hu.html?hp Is there any chance of Xinjiang and Tibet being given real autonomous status? Is such status *ever* real? I wonder what things are really like in Catalonia, Scotland, etc. Or, in China, is it more like it was in the Soviet Union? (How much self-rule did the Jewish Autonomous Oblast have?) “China Official Threatens Death Penalty After Riots”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/world/asia/09hu.html?hp

Is there any chance of Xinjiang and Tibet being given real autonomous status? Is such status *ever* real? I wonder what things are really like in Catalonia, Scotland, etc. Or, in China, is it more like it was in the Soviet Union? (How much self-rule did the Jewish Autonomous Oblast have?)

]]> By: Welmer http://www.welmer.org/2009/07/07/a-few-notes-on-the-xinjiang-uprising/comment-page-1/#comment-2927 Welmer Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:31:26 +0000 http://www.welmer.org/?p=336#comment-2927 Yes, the Mongol rulers assimilated, but they did that pretty much everywhere they went at that time (e.g. Ilkhans, Mughals). However, the Mongol people today are fiercely independent and have little love for the Han. As for the Manchus, they expended great effort to keep themselves distinct from the Chinese, but ultimately failed. It seems that it's easier to assimilate as a ruling rather than subject people. Probably because the rulers come to rely so much on Chinese underlings that they become Chinese in practice before they know it. Yes, the Mongol rulers assimilated, but they did that pretty much everywhere they went at that time (e.g. Ilkhans, Mughals). However, the Mongol people today are fiercely independent and have little love for the Han.

As for the Manchus, they expended great effort to keep themselves distinct from the Chinese, but ultimately failed.

It seems that it’s easier to assimilate as a ruling rather than subject people. Probably because the rulers come to rely so much on Chinese underlings that they become Chinese in practice before they know it.

]]> By: lighton http://www.welmer.org/2009/07/07/a-few-notes-on-the-xinjiang-uprising/comment-page-1/#comment-2925 lighton Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:23:54 +0000 http://www.welmer.org/?p=336#comment-2925 Paradoxically, it seems like the minorities that assimilated into China the best/most were those groups that took over China, like the Yuan Mongols and Manchus. Paradoxically, it seems like the minorities that assimilated into China the best/most were those groups that took over China, like the Yuan Mongols and Manchus.

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