Comments on: Freud on American Women

By: bob

bob — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:51:44 +0000

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By: skeptical_guy

skeptical_guy — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:09:41 +0000

Lukobe- African warlords occupied a Spain and some other surrounding areas for many years which is why there were many moors in Europe (and how such stories such as Othello came about). Let’s not be one-sided here.

The problem with Western cultures is that whenever you put a gender, race, etc. on a pedestal you’ll see other grabbing for the same opportunities they perceive those others to have. So the practice of social structures such as ‘supremacy’ and/or ‘upper class’ and/or any other dividing force that guarantees a comfortable lifestyle is not only outdated but also self destructive.

By: Lukobe

Lukobe — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:43:04 +0000

Ah, the Muslims occupied Spain, the Spaniards occupied North Africa (they still have a few toeholds there) — let’s just call it even

I think the Jews were better off before the Reconquista, though.

By: Savvy

Savvy — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:27:16 +0000

True Spaniards freaking hate Angles and Saxons. Not a fan of Muslums either after all the havoc in Spain. They come peacefully and then with a sword. Ohhhh we have to be PC! My bad. Sorry.

As far as fattys go, men are doing pretty damn good job of keeping up. TWe’re ALL overmedicated and half of the meds cause serious weight gain.

By: ganttsquarry

ganttsquarry — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:26:32 +0000

Yeah its funny Lukobe
Both sets of my grandparents were very traditional. The men worked and the women ran the household. The gender roles, at least for them were clearly defined. My grandmothers were exactly the kind of women it takes to build a strong civilization. I respect them immensely.
I suppose by the standards of other cultures and societies, our men are a soft touch though. Clearly something is lacking when you can be married to a certain type of woman, and have a grand daughter that might as well of come from another planet. American men seem to be very naive with regard to their daughters.
I suspect one problem is that they pedestal them too much. So with each generation the entitlement grows. Daughters are never taught to control their natures like sons are. Men are taught from day one; the need to control their temper, violent tendencies and sexual urges. The daughters are sugar and spice and everything nice.
Like Nova said I’m sure this has Victorian roots. I want to flesh out this idea of father daughter relationships more specificly, as a significant contributing factor. I haven’t really thought about it enough to know how much weight to give it.

By: Lukobe

Lukobe — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:45:35 +0000

BTW, ganttsquarry, yes — I don’t tend to think of American women of that era that way either, though I am probably thinking of my grandmother and aunt, both of whom were born in Eastern Europe. “Uselessness” — I don’t know exactly what Freud means by that. By what standard? They did have to run households back then, and what about those who had farms, and who labored.. I don’t know.

By: ganttsquarry

ganttsquarry — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:07:06 +0000

Miles,
A few thoughts on that…
A tubby girl with a cute face can still get plenty of guys to give her attention. A 25 year old fatty that is say a 3 or 4 on the looks rating can get a 6 and even a 7 guy to pump and dump them.
Since at a young age these cute(relatively) heftys aren’t looking to settle down and marry right away; they can delude themselves into thinking their weight isn’t much of a problem because of the attention they recieve. All they have to do is get one of these guys to “commit” at some point. Of course, that is easier said then done.
Weight loss is hard, especially with the poor diet that Americans consume. Dulusion is much easier, especially for a girl that lacks a strong drive or work ethic.
I think this mentality is found more frequently in lower middle class to poor women. I don’t see nearly as many fatties in the upper middle class, to upper class single 20 somethings. I’m sure HBD has something to do with this, but I also think that the higher class gals have a better understanding of status, and the importance of knowing how to grab the best mate possible. Tough competition keeps you on your toes as well.
You would be amazed at how much male attention a decent in the face fatty can get. To her its quantity and not quality. It quenches her need for attention and approval. Plenty of middling sex starved betas will even pedestal these cows, if only momentarily.
Heck some of these women have no problem getting married either. Ever notice those 10 couples? The guy is skinny and the woman is a big blob. Just like a 10.
American women’s collective muffin top is subsidized by all of the sex starved betas. Until that stops; the sea of cottage cheese will continue unabated.
With that said, I feel your pain.

By: Lukobe

Lukobe — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:37:46 +0000

Yes, Carmen. And her sister Patricia. Both (of course) Catalan. Don’t get me started on lost opportunities.

By: miles

miles — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:47:14 +0000

Man there is one area where American women seem to be sadly lacking, and that is their willingness to keep from getting so damned fat.

I bet I encountered ten facially very cute women just TODAY, that were all at least 40 lbs overweight. This turns men off more effectively than a blast of cold water from a hose pipe directed at his genitals. Why on earth do all of these cute gals let themselves become hogs with pretty faces? I see em’ all the time.

By: Justin

Justin — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:43:43 +0000

In my study of jokes (ok, it’s not really a study, I just like joke books), I find that humor about the henpecked husband is seemingly an American tradition. I know jokes of that variety were around in the 40′s and 50′s at least. It would be a cool study to see when they began.