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		<title>By: Misandry and Relationships - Dating, marriage, boyfriends, girlfriends, men, women, friends, attraction ... - City-Data Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misandry and Relationships - Dating, marriage, boyfriends, girlfriends, men, women, friends, attraction ... - City-Data Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a higher living standard than in the US after adjusting for divorce risk.  Everyone from women to sadistic social conservatives to a young man&#039;s own parents will pressure and shame him into marriage, and condemn the request for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Manhood101</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/13/defining-social-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-5395</link>
		<dc:creator>Manhood101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modern day Feminism is a political and social movement designed to secure equal rights and legal protection for women. However, to properly understand Feminism as a whole, it is necessary to distinguish between its situational and fundamental components. The former involves only its modern social influences, characterized by the vocal political movements of the 1960s–70s. While the latter spans the entire history of gender relations, its primary objective being the supplanting of male authority.

On its surface, the modern Feminist movement purports to protect the rights of women from male oppression, often associating itself with the civil rights movement of Afro-Americans. But this faulty rationale fails to recognize the difference between unjust oppression and healthy restriction; limiting a gender’s job responsibilities based on natural capacity is not the same as limiting a racial group’s opportunities based on appearance. This key Feminist
misunderstanding can be clarified by examining how restriction
affects a child’s life.

Children lack foresight. They act according to their immediate desires without considering the possible consequences. Thus, children require healthy restrictions to protect them from harm. If this protection is removed, children will be in danger of suffering the consequences of indulging their reckless whims.

For example, a child admiring a parent’s ability to drive a car may desire to take on that role. Even though the child lacks the mental and physical capacity to drive, he still insists on doing it. The exciting prospect of participating in an adult activity is just too enticing. Although this short-sighted decision places the child and others in danger, he lacks the capacity to understand this. Thus, he requires an adult to restrict his actions for his own protection.

Women lack foresight for the same reason children lack it; they focus on themselves to a dysfunctional degree. Without male guidance, women neglect to consider the viewpoint of others.

As a result, women, in relation to men, lack the capacity to bear heavy responsibilities. Yet, because of Feminism’s reckless encouragement, they happily volunteer to “steer” the lives of others, oblivious to the dangerous situation this creates for everyone; our Feminist society lowers academic, professional and civil service standards to accommodate women’s irresponsible desire to accept duties they were never designed to fulfill. Consequently, our schools, our economy and our lives must all sit in the passenger seat, waiting for the inevitable crash.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24106559/Principles-101</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern day Feminism is a political and social movement designed to secure equal rights and legal protection for women. However, to properly understand Feminism as a whole, it is necessary to distinguish between its situational and fundamental components. The former involves only its modern social influences, characterized by the vocal political movements of the 1960s–70s. While the latter spans the entire history of gender relations, its primary objective being the supplanting of male authority.</p>
<p>On its surface, the modern Feminist movement purports to protect the rights of women from male oppression, often associating itself with the civil rights movement of Afro-Americans. But this faulty rationale fails to recognize the difference between unjust oppression and healthy restriction; limiting a gender’s job responsibilities based on natural capacity is not the same as limiting a racial group’s opportunities based on appearance. This key Feminist<br />
misunderstanding can be clarified by examining how restriction<br />
affects a child’s life.</p>
<p>Children lack foresight. They act according to their immediate desires without considering the possible consequences. Thus, children require healthy restrictions to protect them from harm. If this protection is removed, children will be in danger of suffering the consequences of indulging their reckless whims.</p>
<p>For example, a child admiring a parent’s ability to drive a car may desire to take on that role. Even though the child lacks the mental and physical capacity to drive, he still insists on doing it. The exciting prospect of participating in an adult activity is just too enticing. Although this short-sighted decision places the child and others in danger, he lacks the capacity to understand this. Thus, he requires an adult to restrict his actions for his own protection.</p>
<p>Women lack foresight for the same reason children lack it; they focus on themselves to a dysfunctional degree. Without male guidance, women neglect to consider the viewpoint of others.</p>
<p>As a result, women, in relation to men, lack the capacity to bear heavy responsibilities. Yet, because of Feminism’s reckless encouragement, they happily volunteer to “steer” the lives of others, oblivious to the dangerous situation this creates for everyone; our Feminist society lowers academic, professional and civil service standards to accommodate women’s irresponsible desire to accept duties they were never designed to fulfill. Consequently, our schools, our economy and our lives must all sit in the passenger seat, waiting for the inevitable crash.<br />
<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/24106559/Principles-101" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/24106559/Principles-101</a></p>
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		<title>By: Why does it seem that American society is in decline? &#124; Jan The Marketing Man</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/13/defining-social-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-5393</link>
		<dc:creator>Why does it seem that American society is in decline? &#124; Jan The Marketing Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from women to sadistic social conservatives to a young man&#8217;s own parents will pressure and shame him into marriage, and condemn the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ztp</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/13/defining-social-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-5364</link>
		<dc:creator>ztp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;An example of this is Dr. Albert Mohler, the dean of the Southern Baptist theological seminary. Mohler, who just turned 50 (a late boomer in other words), is relentless in his &lt;B&gt;criticism of young men&lt;/B&gt;.&lt;/I&gt;

Memo to Dr. Mohler:
&lt;B&gt;It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.&lt;/B&gt;
-- Proverbs 21:19</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>An example of this is Dr. Albert Mohler, the dean of the Southern Baptist theological seminary. Mohler, who just turned 50 (a late boomer in other words), is relentless in his <b>criticism of young men</b>.</i></p>
<p>Memo to Dr. Mohler:<br />
<b>It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.</b><br />
&#8211; Proverbs 21:19</p>
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		<title>By: The Fifth Horseman</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/13/defining-social-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-5309</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fifth Horseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*crickets chirping as Hermes could not provide an answer to a simple question.*

So if your stated views are merely a copy of my own, where is your problem?  It is natural for a Beta to copy an Alpha, so there is nothing wrong with you adopting my views, but you will have to provide detail if we are to believe that your disagreement with me is anything more than a hissyfit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*crickets chirping as Hermes could not provide an answer to a simple question.*</p>
<p>So if your stated views are merely a copy of my own, where is your problem?  It is natural for a Beta to copy an Alpha, so there is nothing wrong with you adopting my views, but you will have to provide detail if we are to believe that your disagreement with me is anything more than a hissyfit.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fifth Horseman</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/13/defining-social-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-5302</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fifth Horseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herpes,

Then exactly what is your problem with holding SocialCons accountable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herpes,</p>
<p>Then exactly what is your problem with holding SocialCons accountable?</p>
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		<title>By: Hermes</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/13/defining-social-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-5301</link>
		<dc:creator>Hermes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to bother writing a detailed reply to you, because you either have zero reading comprehension, or you don&#039;t bother to read what your opponents actually write.  Instead, I will simply point out to you again Exhibit A of this fact: &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;I ACCEPT GAME!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;  I don&#039;t know how I can make it any more clear than that.  I can&#039;t speak for Pons Seclorum or Todd White, but I ACCEPT GAME, largely AGREE with Obsidian&#039;s comment (which, BTW, you never challenged ME to &quot;rebut&quot;), and ADVOCATE that men learn from the seduction community.  I say that the biggest cause of our current crisis is indeed female sexual liberation.  I support men&#039;s rights, oppose no-fault divorce, punitive alimony, and the like.  The fact that despite all this you continue to attack me as a &quot;BetaCon&quot; shows that you&#039;re not a serious debater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to bother writing a detailed reply to you, because you either have zero reading comprehension, or you don&#8217;t bother to read what your opponents actually write.  Instead, I will simply point out to you again Exhibit A of this fact: <i><b>I ACCEPT GAME!</b></i>  I don&#8217;t know how I can make it any more clear than that.  I can&#8217;t speak for Pons Seclorum or Todd White, but I ACCEPT GAME, largely AGREE with Obsidian&#8217;s comment (which, BTW, you never challenged ME to &#8220;rebut&#8221;), and ADVOCATE that men learn from the seduction community.  I say that the biggest cause of our current crisis is indeed female sexual liberation.  I support men&#8217;s rights, oppose no-fault divorce, punitive alimony, and the like.  The fact that despite all this you continue to attack me as a &#8220;BetaCon&#8221; shows that you&#8217;re not a serious debater.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fifth Horseman</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/13/defining-social-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-5290</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fifth Horseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an awesome sentence from Welmer :

&quot;So when I criticize social conservatives, I’m not thinking of good, religious people, but rather those hypocrites and liars who hide their base instincts in a cloak of righteousness. They are the Pharisees of today; the kinds of people who mask their avarice and lust with legal constructs and false piety. The PUA, who openly declares what he is doing and honestly explains why is morally of a far higher stature from my point of view.&quot;

I will quote this in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an awesome sentence from Welmer :</p>
<p>&#8220;So when I criticize social conservatives, I’m not thinking of good, religious people, but rather those hypocrites and liars who hide their base instincts in a cloak of righteousness. They are the Pharisees of today; the kinds of people who mask their avarice and lust with legal constructs and false piety. The PUA, who openly declares what he is doing and honestly explains why is morally of a far higher stature from my point of view.&#8221;</p>
<p>I will quote this in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fifth Horseman</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/13/defining-social-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-5288</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fifth Horseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welmer,

What you say is true, but it is all academic.  Remember that socialcons are speaking from a position of little or no experience with women.  

If there is one guarantee with Socialcons, it is that they epitomize the notion of &#039;all talk, no action&#039;.  They have a 100% failure rate in blocking the forces that destroy what they claim to cherish.  Thus, socialcons will have virtually zero effect on dissuading men from learning Game.  In fact, they will help men learn Game, as they provide superb examples of what men should ensure they do not become.

Failure, impotence, and cowardice are all that Betacons have to offer.  No one is attracted to this (except Betacons).  The projection and palpable resentment and bitterness in Hermes&#039;s writings are evidence of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welmer,</p>
<p>What you say is true, but it is all academic.  Remember that socialcons are speaking from a position of little or no experience with women.  </p>
<p>If there is one guarantee with Socialcons, it is that they epitomize the notion of &#8216;all talk, no action&#8217;.  They have a 100% failure rate in blocking the forces that destroy what they claim to cherish.  Thus, socialcons will have virtually zero effect on dissuading men from learning Game.  In fact, they will help men learn Game, as they provide superb examples of what men should ensure they do not become.</p>
<p>Failure, impotence, and cowardice are all that Betacons have to offer.  No one is attracted to this (except Betacons).  The projection and palpable resentment and bitterness in Hermes&#8217;s writings are evidence of this.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fifth Horseman</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/13/defining-social-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-5287</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fifth Horseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obsidian effectively ended the &#039;debate&#039; last month about why SocialCons like Hermes and Ponsie are failures, the &#039;Comment of the Month&#039; :

http://fbardamu.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/august-2009-comment-of-the-month/

Since that time, I have challenged a whole set of cowardly socialcons to rebut this essay in detail, but none could.  This is effectively an admission on the part of Ponsie, Hermes, and Todd White that the charges against them are true.

Real men step up to a challenge.  BetaCons are not real men.   Hermes in particular is a textbook example of projection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obsidian effectively ended the &#8216;debate&#8217; last month about why SocialCons like Hermes and Ponsie are failures, the &#8216;Comment of the Month&#8217; :</p>
<p><a href="http://fbardamu.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/august-2009-comment-of-the-month/" rel="nofollow">http://fbardamu.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/august-2009-comment-of-the-month/</a></p>
<p>Since that time, I have challenged a whole set of cowardly socialcons to rebut this essay in detail, but none could.  This is effectively an admission on the part of Ponsie, Hermes, and Todd White that the charges against them are true.</p>
<p>Real men step up to a challenge.  BetaCons are not real men.   Hermes in particular is a textbook example of projection.</p>
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