-they have a lot of guys going for them, since outdoor sports groups are mostly male

-they tend to be very flakey, even for women, probably because they have so many guys interested in them ( or maybe because most of them are hippies whose brain have been burnt out from too much drug use)

But regardless of those downsides, they are still the only women I bother spending time with now a days. Mostly because, for some reason I cannot explain, they tend to see relationships as more of a mutual effort, and not a man giving/ woman receiving relationship that city women have-both liberal and conservative.

I was on my way to this kind of lifestyle until my rebellious side kicked in at about the age of 17. I just couldn’t be one of those mindless meatheads whose primary concern is which fabric to wear for what outdoor activity.

However, I do retain a certain respect for the healthy, outdoorsy types. They really are good looking people, as inane and shallow as their culture may sometimes be, and it is good for the soul to expose oneself to this physicality and health from time to time.

I suspect, Whiskey, that the SoCal manifestation of this culture may take it to extremes, as white SoCal cultures always do. Up here in the NW there’s a bit more of a continuum, which encompasses normal for those who live in this environment. For example, you’ll see plenty of guys of various physiques and ages tooling around the woods here. But, curiously, the women are overwhelmingly of the attractive, fit type, and there are more of them than you’d expect.

For example, any guy MUST be AT LEAST six feet two inches in height. That is the floor. Six four is preferred, and being what they are these girls can get them.

Second, the guy MUST be very able in whatever it is they are doing: better than they are in kayaking, or mountain biking, or skiing. They HAVE to be good looking, equal or better than the girl in question, and MUST be attractive to and flirt with lots of other girls.

Now, these girls are nice, somewhat flirty, and quite feminine. BUT … the only interest they have is for extremely fit, TALL, and Alpha guys. The guys they date are almost always firemen, EMTs, or semi-pro athletes. It’s hilarious.

Actually, Justin, the ones who really seemed like feminist, hippie types were middle aged. The problem with the young women isn’t so much that they’re “feminist,” per se, as it is that they are off the rails in terms of behavior, have a huge sense of entitlement, and absolutely no concept of duty, honor or responsibility.

As for the guys I saw, with the exception of one or two they all seemed pretty conservative. The really liberal guys in the Seattle area are all “hipsters” now, and they are generally even softer than the females.

BTW, nice to see a couple of locals posting here.

There is definitely a sweet spot for this sort of thing, though: I recently hiked from Stevens to Snoqualmie and 90% of the people on the trail were male nature hippies – huge beards, etc. (although interestingly enough there were a few cute girls on the trail as well).