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		<title>By: Wil E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pushed up and scented....I tip extra
for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pushed up and scented&#8230;.I tip extra<br />
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		<title>By: Lukobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy, I just got back from my honeymoon, which took us on a cruise from Italy to Greece to Turkey to Egypt and back, and &lt;i&gt;man&lt;/i&gt; is it worse for tipping out there than it is here. &lt;i&gt;Especially&lt;/i&gt; Egypt. &lt;i&gt;Bakshish, bakshish&lt;/i&gt;! I tried to think of most of it as U.S. foreign aid. Great trip nevertheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy, I just got back from my honeymoon, which took us on a cruise from Italy to Greece to Turkey to Egypt and back, and <i>man</i> is it worse for tipping out there than it is here. <i>Especially</i> Egypt. <i>Bakshish, bakshish</i>! I tried to think of most of it as U.S. foreign aid. Great trip nevertheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor Hale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Hale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also would prefer a tipless society.  I only tip because I know that is a significant part of the wait-staff compensation and it is customary in the USA to do so.  I never, ever put a tip in a jar at starbucks or similar thing.  I do not adjust the tip for better or worse service.  If service is bad, I complain to the manager or stop going there.  The cooks, dishwashers, and management have every bit as much to contribute to your meal, but they get no part of the tips.  

I have a great deal of skepticism believing wait staff adjust their behavior for better or worse tiping.  The fear of losing a job is what keeps them doing good work.  An occasional rare individual will be personally motivated to do good work for its own reward.

I also tip my barber.

When I tip, I leave cash, even if I am charging a credit card.  I thereby encourage wait staff to not report it as taxable income.  Bad law making criminals of us all, and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also would prefer a tipless society.  I only tip because I know that is a significant part of the wait-staff compensation and it is customary in the USA to do so.  I never, ever put a tip in a jar at starbucks or similar thing.  I do not adjust the tip for better or worse service.  If service is bad, I complain to the manager or stop going there.  The cooks, dishwashers, and management have every bit as much to contribute to your meal, but they get no part of the tips.  </p>
<p>I have a great deal of skepticism believing wait staff adjust their behavior for better or worse tiping.  The fear of losing a job is what keeps them doing good work.  An occasional rare individual will be personally motivated to do good work for its own reward.</p>
<p>I also tip my barber.</p>
<p>When I tip, I leave cash, even if I am charging a credit card.  I thereby encourage wait staff to not report it as taxable income.  Bad law making criminals of us all, and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: miles</title>
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		<dc:creator>miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20% is roughly what I usually tip, but that is as high as Im ever going to go.


I remember when it was 10% (the then-acceptable gratuity). My parents tell me that it used to be 5% back in their day. 


I remember when it went to 15%. To be honest, 15% should be about right. Now they are carping that &quot;anything less than 20%&quot; is rude and cheap. 

My take on that is this: Get another fucking job. You can move boxes at UPS and work MUCH MUCH harder than waiting tables or pouring drinks. You can work construction and work much much harder than you will in resturaunts. What we have here Welmer is social psychology at work. The waiters get to compare you to other customers, many of whom are loaded financially, and they will deem you low-class and can &quot;act&quot; mad at you if you only tip 15% (even though that was the standard all through the mid-eighties to mid-nineties). As the recession drags on, and its going to  for another six-months-to-a-year almost for certain, more and more waitstaff will be glad anybody is going out to eat, period.




Note: I cannot digest gluten (wheat, bread, pasta, beer, rye, most sauces) without getting very sick (a &quot;flu-like&quot; achy feeling for the rest of the day, extremely bad diarreha, a rash appears on my ewbows that itches intensely and requires hydrocortisone cream for several days). Since becoming extremely gluten-intolerant, Ive had to learn how to cook much more, which Im getting pretty damned good at. Im enjoying eating at home more than ever before, and have found that it can save you a very suprising amount of money if you do it right (meat, fruit, steamed veggies, home-made tea). 


BTW---if a waiter really sucks, they only get 10% from me, but this has only happened 3 times in my life. Im usually right at 20%. Im a very easy customer. I dont try to mix-and-match from the menu, generally only require one drink refill at the most, and usually order a water along with my beverage just so I dont even have to do that. I generally wont send anything back even if its done wrong. Im not hard on them, and dont bore them with extraneous chit-chat, and am professionally courteous to them. In other words, I dont &#039;make them earn their money like many many women Ive dated over the years do. A waiter probably has to only walk to our table 3 times when serving me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20% is roughly what I usually tip, but that is as high as Im ever going to go.</p>
<p>I remember when it was 10% (the then-acceptable gratuity). My parents tell me that it used to be 5% back in their day. </p>
<p>I remember when it went to 15%. To be honest, 15% should be about right. Now they are carping that &#8220;anything less than 20%&#8221; is rude and cheap. </p>
<p>My take on that is this: Get another fucking job. You can move boxes at UPS and work MUCH MUCH harder than waiting tables or pouring drinks. You can work construction and work much much harder than you will in resturaunts. What we have here Welmer is social psychology at work. The waiters get to compare you to other customers, many of whom are loaded financially, and they will deem you low-class and can &#8220;act&#8221; mad at you if you only tip 15% (even though that was the standard all through the mid-eighties to mid-nineties). As the recession drags on, and its going to  for another six-months-to-a-year almost for certain, more and more waitstaff will be glad anybody is going out to eat, period.</p>
<p>Note: I cannot digest gluten (wheat, bread, pasta, beer, rye, most sauces) without getting very sick (a &#8220;flu-like&#8221; achy feeling for the rest of the day, extremely bad diarreha, a rash appears on my ewbows that itches intensely and requires hydrocortisone cream for several days). Since becoming extremely gluten-intolerant, Ive had to learn how to cook much more, which Im getting pretty damned good at. Im enjoying eating at home more than ever before, and have found that it can save you a very suprising amount of money if you do it right (meat, fruit, steamed veggies, home-made tea). </p>
<p>BTW&#8212;if a waiter really sucks, they only get 10% from me, but this has only happened 3 times in my life. Im usually right at 20%. Im a very easy customer. I dont try to mix-and-match from the menu, generally only require one drink refill at the most, and usually order a water along with my beverage just so I dont even have to do that. I generally wont send anything back even if its done wrong. Im not hard on them, and dont bore them with extraneous chit-chat, and am professionally courteous to them. In other words, I dont &#8216;make them earn their money like many many women Ive dated over the years do. A waiter probably has to only walk to our table 3 times when serving me.</p>
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		<title>By: Obvious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares?  Just get a take-out order and call it a day, guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares?  Just get a take-out order and call it a day, guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something that is very telling about male vs. female wait staff.  Have you noticed how the more higher end a restaurant is the more male wait staff it will have?  (To the point that many high end restaurants have only male wait staff.)

This tells you everything you need to know about the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something that is very telling about male vs. female wait staff.  Have you noticed how the more higher end a restaurant is the more male wait staff it will have?  (To the point that many high end restaurants have only male wait staff.)</p>
<p>This tells you everything you need to know about the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: When a good post comes along, you must plug it &#171; In Mala Fide</title>
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		<dc:creator>When a good post comes along, you must plug it &#171; In Mala Fide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has some choice words for greedy waitresses: I’m getting to that point with waitresses. I am quite frankly sick of their entitled, bitchy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has some choice words for greedy waitresses: I’m getting to that point with waitresses. I am quite frankly sick of their entitled, bitchy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Welmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, at least Hooters is &lt;i&gt;honest&lt;/i&gt; about it. If I really did want to ogle some breasts while eating, I suppose I would go to Hooters, come to think of it. 

I wonder how the service is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, at least Hooters is <i>honest</i> about it. If I really did want to ogle some breasts while eating, I suppose I would go to Hooters, come to think of it. </p>
<p>I wonder how the service is there?</p>
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		<title>By: whiskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 05:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it Hooters is not your regular hangout then :&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it Hooters is not your regular hangout then :&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 03:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also don&#039;t like the entitlement bit, but tipping high doesn&#039;t bother me--which puts me in the minority here it seems.  I don&#039;t actually pay all that much attention to service; I hit the same few places whenever I eat out (and for a bachelor like me that&#039;s a lot) so I know what to expect of the food and wait staff.  I start at about 25% and move up from there, or down if the service was exceptionally bad.  My thinking is, I make decent money and enjoy the meal out, and it&#039;s fun to watch some sports on the bar TVs and maybe chat a little while I enjoy a meal, and I know the wait staff doesn&#039;t pull in great money so I don&#039;t mind throwing them some extra.

Plus, since I go to the same places, I see it as building a rapport.  The waiters and waitresses know who I am and they know I tip well, so I figure at least some will put out more effort to take care of me.  Basically, I&#039;m paying extra to move myself up the hierarchy of customers so I get more attentive service.  This trick has produced real results at some places and not so much at others, but I try to always tip high regardless unless something far out of the ordinary happens.

Back when I made much less money, though, the big question of how much of a tip to leave was always a quandary for me.  I generally stayed in the 15-20% range, adjusting up or down slightly to make my total payment an even dollar amount.

As for the waitresses flashing boobs at me, can&#039;t say I&#039;ve had that problem a whole lot.  I guess either I&#039;m that naive or I&#039;m not the kind of charming guy waitresses care to show off for--probably the latter.  But then again, I always eat at the bar and the places I frequent have attire that doesn&#039;t really allow for that, so maybe that has something to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also don&#8217;t like the entitlement bit, but tipping high doesn&#8217;t bother me&#8211;which puts me in the minority here it seems.  I don&#8217;t actually pay all that much attention to service; I hit the same few places whenever I eat out (and for a bachelor like me that&#8217;s a lot) so I know what to expect of the food and wait staff.  I start at about 25% and move up from there, or down if the service was exceptionally bad.  My thinking is, I make decent money and enjoy the meal out, and it&#8217;s fun to watch some sports on the bar TVs and maybe chat a little while I enjoy a meal, and I know the wait staff doesn&#8217;t pull in great money so I don&#8217;t mind throwing them some extra.</p>
<p>Plus, since I go to the same places, I see it as building a rapport.  The waiters and waitresses know who I am and they know I tip well, so I figure at least some will put out more effort to take care of me.  Basically, I&#8217;m paying extra to move myself up the hierarchy of customers so I get more attentive service.  This trick has produced real results at some places and not so much at others, but I try to always tip high regardless unless something far out of the ordinary happens.</p>
<p>Back when I made much less money, though, the big question of how much of a tip to leave was always a quandary for me.  I generally stayed in the 15-20% range, adjusting up or down slightly to make my total payment an even dollar amount.</p>
<p>As for the waitresses flashing boobs at me, can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve had that problem a whole lot.  I guess either I&#8217;m that naive or I&#8217;m not the kind of charming guy waitresses care to show off for&#8211;probably the latter.  But then again, I always eat at the bar and the places I frequent have attire that doesn&#8217;t really allow for that, so maybe that has something to do with it.</p>
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