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		<title>By: Welmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Nick, you are misreading.</description>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So unless I am misreading, Welmer&#039;s expressing concern that two lesbians are trying to raise their own child. I see no problem with this. Patently, the women just want to actually have their own without the biological parent. And so what? This to me is analogous to gay adoption. If two men are entitled to raise adopted children, it is not an ethical leap to say that two women are entitled to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So unless I am misreading, Welmer&#8217;s expressing concern that two lesbians are trying to raise their own child. I see no problem with this. Patently, the women just want to actually have their own without the biological parent. And so what? This to me is analogous to gay adoption. If two men are entitled to raise adopted children, it is not an ethical leap to say that two women are entitled to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/20/whats-up-with-gay-men/comment-page-1/#comment-5397</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many ignorant posters here, it&#039;s actually painful to read.

Firstly, you base your whole article on two particular gay men, and probably stereotypes that you have in mind of others. You pretend as if gay men have some plan to separate children from their biological parents, or fathers more specifically. Do you really think gays have some agenda to steal children away from straight fathers? Open YOUR eyes. The majority of families are, and always will be traditional ones with heterosexual parents. Gays are not looking to change this, and couldn&#039;t even if they wanted to. You wonder if the father being discussed really was all that bad? Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn&#039;t. Just because you can&#039;t corroborate their story doesn&#039;t make it false. Point is, this whole article was a major overreaction and a gross generalization. If you are really intimidated by gay men, maybe it is some insecurity on your part and not contempt on homosexuals&#039;. 

As for the claim that homosexuality is a mental illness or caused by sexual abuse - do you have access to the life stories of every homosexual born? It&#039;s funny how people will claim something like this with no basis for it. Yes, a lot of gay people do face depression and mental unrest in their life. This is more likely because of the kind of comments seen here, though, that label them as subhuman freaks before they even have a chance to prove themselves as valuable citizens. Same reasoning goes for those who think homosexuality is a choice (and, at that, to get sex easier?! Hilarious! So when you&#039;re in the mood and can&#039;t find a willing woman, you&#039;re telling me you&#039;d have sex with a man?). Do you really think the gay teens who commit suicide chose a sexuality that came with the path of deprecation that led them to kill themselves?

Great that some of you mention that all gays have a victim complex. Even greater when considering how many straight, white men on here are bemoaning the constant attacks on straight, white men. Have you considered that a homosexual couple wanting to marry or raise a child in no way undermines heterosexual couples doing so? If you believe it does, then maybe you should reevaluate the strength of your marriages or your parenting abilities. Gays are just trying to acquire the benefits and privileges that heterosexuals get. Labeling this as &quot;playing the victim&quot; or as a threat to the majority is really making light of civil rights.

Meanwhile you have a poster advocating a holocaust for homosexuals. I would think that agreeing with Hitler is a bigger sign of mental illness than being attracted to the same sex.

I&#039;d suggest that you resist the temptation to generalize any group as you&#039;ve done here. It&#039;s clear that you don&#039;t appreciate generalizations - lots of posters have pointed out their frustrations with what they perceive as a blanket label of &quot;oppressor&quot; on straight, white men. Of course, to say heterosexual, white males as a group are anything but heterosexual, white males is unrealistic. But try to recognize that this doesn&#039;t just apply to majorities. Just because gays are a minority doesn&#039;t mean you can lump them into categories. Calling gays &quot;feminists,&quot; &quot;enemies of the typical straight guy,&quot; or claiming that they are leading an &quot;assault on men and fatherhood&quot; is completely ludicrous and has solicited some pretty disgusting responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many ignorant posters here, it&#8217;s actually painful to read.</p>
<p>Firstly, you base your whole article on two particular gay men, and probably stereotypes that you have in mind of others. You pretend as if gay men have some plan to separate children from their biological parents, or fathers more specifically. Do you really think gays have some agenda to steal children away from straight fathers? Open YOUR eyes. The majority of families are, and always will be traditional ones with heterosexual parents. Gays are not looking to change this, and couldn&#8217;t even if they wanted to. You wonder if the father being discussed really was all that bad? Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn&#8217;t. Just because you can&#8217;t corroborate their story doesn&#8217;t make it false. Point is, this whole article was a major overreaction and a gross generalization. If you are really intimidated by gay men, maybe it is some insecurity on your part and not contempt on homosexuals&#8217;. </p>
<p>As for the claim that homosexuality is a mental illness or caused by sexual abuse &#8211; do you have access to the life stories of every homosexual born? It&#8217;s funny how people will claim something like this with no basis for it. Yes, a lot of gay people do face depression and mental unrest in their life. This is more likely because of the kind of comments seen here, though, that label them as subhuman freaks before they even have a chance to prove themselves as valuable citizens. Same reasoning goes for those who think homosexuality is a choice (and, at that, to get sex easier?! Hilarious! So when you&#8217;re in the mood and can&#8217;t find a willing woman, you&#8217;re telling me you&#8217;d have sex with a man?). Do you really think the gay teens who commit suicide chose a sexuality that came with the path of deprecation that led them to kill themselves?</p>
<p>Great that some of you mention that all gays have a victim complex. Even greater when considering how many straight, white men on here are bemoaning the constant attacks on straight, white men. Have you considered that a homosexual couple wanting to marry or raise a child in no way undermines heterosexual couples doing so? If you believe it does, then maybe you should reevaluate the strength of your marriages or your parenting abilities. Gays are just trying to acquire the benefits and privileges that heterosexuals get. Labeling this as &#8220;playing the victim&#8221; or as a threat to the majority is really making light of civil rights.</p>
<p>Meanwhile you have a poster advocating a holocaust for homosexuals. I would think that agreeing with Hitler is a bigger sign of mental illness than being attracted to the same sex.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that you resist the temptation to generalize any group as you&#8217;ve done here. It&#8217;s clear that you don&#8217;t appreciate generalizations &#8211; lots of posters have pointed out their frustrations with what they perceive as a blanket label of &#8220;oppressor&#8221; on straight, white men. Of course, to say heterosexual, white males as a group are anything but heterosexual, white males is unrealistic. But try to recognize that this doesn&#8217;t just apply to majorities. Just because gays are a minority doesn&#8217;t mean you can lump them into categories. Calling gays &#8220;feminists,&#8221; &#8220;enemies of the typical straight guy,&#8221; or claiming that they are leading an &#8220;assault on men and fatherhood&#8221; is completely ludicrous and has solicited some pretty disgusting responses.</p>
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		<title>By: WIFE</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/20/whats-up-with-gay-men/comment-page-1/#comment-5396</link>
		<dc:creator>WIFE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’d be willing to bet good money that a gay son raised in the company of a loving, straight father will turn out much better adjusted and prepared to face the world than one who is raised by a bitter, single feminist mother. &quot;

Would you also be willing to bet good money that, &quot; a gay son raised in the company of a loving, straight MOTHER will turn out much better adjust and prepared to face the world than one who is raised by a bitter, single, MASCULINIST FATHER&quot;????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d be willing to bet good money that a gay son raised in the company of a loving, straight father will turn out much better adjusted and prepared to face the world than one who is raised by a bitter, single feminist mother. &#8221;</p>
<p>Would you also be willing to bet good money that, &#8221; a gay son raised in the company of a loving, straight MOTHER will turn out much better adjust and prepared to face the world than one who is raised by a bitter, single, MASCULINIST FATHER&#8221;????</p>
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		<title>By: Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Oscar Wilde, champion of men &amp; they put him on trial 3 times, charged with 25 acts of  gross indecency &amp; put him in prison for 2 years, That&#039;s what he got for that!  Jesus, do you people read??
Here&#039;s a snippet for you:
&quot;The Wilde trials caused public attitudes toward homosexuals to become harsher and less tolerant.  Whereas prior to the trials there was a certain pity for those who engaged in same-sex passion, after the trials homosexuals were seen more as a threat.  The Wilde trials had other effects as well.  They caused caused the public to begin to associate art and homo eroticism and to see effeminacy as a signal for homosexuality.  Many same sex relationships seen as innocent before the Wilde trials became suspect after the trials.  People with close same sex relationships grew anxious, concerned about doing anything that might suggest impropriety.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Oscar Wilde, champion of men &amp; they put him on trial 3 times, charged with 25 acts of  gross indecency &amp; put him in prison for 2 years, That&#8217;s what he got for that!  Jesus, do you people read??<br />
Here&#8217;s a snippet for you:<br />
&#8220;The Wilde trials caused public attitudes toward homosexuals to become harsher and less tolerant.  Whereas prior to the trials there was a certain pity for those who engaged in same-sex passion, after the trials homosexuals were seen more as a threat.  The Wilde trials had other effects as well.  They caused caused the public to begin to associate art and homo eroticism and to see effeminacy as a signal for homosexuality.  Many same sex relationships seen as innocent before the Wilde trials became suspect after the trials.  People with close same sex relationships grew anxious, concerned about doing anything that might suggest impropriety.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Curiepoint</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/20/whats-up-with-gay-men/comment-page-1/#comment-5355</link>
		<dc:creator>Curiepoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it more appropriate to ask &quot;What&#039;s with the women who do love gay men?&quot;

My own personal thought is that they love gay men because having a gay male friend is akin to having a pet man. As with any pet ownership, there&#039;s affection, gratitude, and a subconscious certainty that one definitely holds an alpha position in the dynamic. There&#039;s no pressure to be physically affectionate so there&#039;s no mess or bother with all those complications that arise out of romantic entanglements.

What I don&#039;t understand is why these same women have an inclination to seek counsel from a gay man as to what men in general want, or how to make themselves more appealling to the so-called &quot;winner&quot; men. As if these guys understand hetero dynamics. If they do, it&#039;s almost certainly on an academic level.

I suppose it&#039;s also just possible to like a gay man the way one likes anybody else. I just can&#039;t shake the feeling that there&#039;s a deeper underpinning to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it more appropriate to ask &#8220;What&#8217;s with the women who do love gay men?&#8221;</p>
<p>My own personal thought is that they love gay men because having a gay male friend is akin to having a pet man. As with any pet ownership, there&#8217;s affection, gratitude, and a subconscious certainty that one definitely holds an alpha position in the dynamic. There&#8217;s no pressure to be physically affectionate so there&#8217;s no mess or bother with all those complications that arise out of romantic entanglements.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is why these same women have an inclination to seek counsel from a gay man as to what men in general want, or how to make themselves more appealling to the so-called &#8220;winner&#8221; men. As if these guys understand hetero dynamics. If they do, it&#8217;s almost certainly on an academic level.</p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s also just possible to like a gay man the way one likes anybody else. I just can&#8217;t shake the feeling that there&#8217;s a deeper underpinning to it.</p>
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		<title>By: DN</title>
		<link>http://www.welmer.org/2009/09/20/whats-up-with-gay-men/comment-page-1/#comment-5353</link>
		<dc:creator>DN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lastly, please send me a nice, nerdy, white engineer with good table manners and who goes to church and attends to personal grooming habits.  There have been a few that came close, but were missing one of those key elements.  Let me restate this in Klingon if it helps...

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lastly, please send me a nice, nerdy, white engineer with good table manners and who goes to church and attends to personal grooming habits.  There have been a few that came close, but were missing one of those key elements.  Let me restate this in Klingon if it helps&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Feminists are using Homosexuality as segregation whether homosexuals approve of it or not</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feminists are using Homosexuality as segregation whether homosexuals approve of it or not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop attacking motherhood
Stop attacking fatherhood

Biological Father &amp; Mother please
Nothing more , nothing less

No to gay adoption or gay marriage
Sorry homosexuals but you are blind to feminists
BLIND

They want to destroy the unity between the genders and I will not let it happen

If you are standing in the way and scream &#039; Homophobia ! &#039; then I do not give a SHIT

Open your eyes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop attacking motherhood<br />
Stop attacking fatherhood</p>
<p>Biological Father &amp; Mother please<br />
Nothing more , nothing less</p>
<p>No to gay adoption or gay marriage<br />
Sorry homosexuals but you are blind to feminists<br />
BLIND</p>
<p>They want to destroy the unity between the genders and I will not let it happen</p>
<p>If you are standing in the way and scream &#8216; Homophobia ! &#8216; then I do not give a SHIT</p>
<p>Open your eyes</p>
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		<title>By: Feminists are using Homosexuality as segregation whether homosexuals approve of it or not</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feminists are using Homosexuality as segregation whether homosexuals approve of it or not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing against homosexuals but homosexuality can turn pretty segregative and can actually seperate the genders

Feminists HATE Men &amp; Women TOGETHER
They HATE it

What is the BEST method to seperate them ? Homosexuality


Especially if you are a homosexual reading this look out ... the feminists are using your sexuality whether you like it or not

&#039; My outlook is utilitarian. If there is no harm done, it is not immoral. &#039;

How do you define &#039; harm &#039; ? When do you know that &#039; harm &#039; is being done ?

This is a bad worldview
I personally don&#039;t like homosexuality but come on now ...

Feminism wants to destroy Humanity
The unity between Men &amp; Women

And while many homosexuals may not despise the opposite sex guess what ? Homosexuality can turn into a nasty , hateful and segregative tool

Also see all those &#039;anal sluts&#039; in porn ? It is a form of submission toward liberalism and most of all gay men

I don&#039;t hate gay men but sadly gay men are now &#039;&#039; patriarchs &#039;&#039; ... gay marriage &amp; feminism is being used as a form of hatred and seperation between the genders

Wake up people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing against homosexuals but homosexuality can turn pretty segregative and can actually seperate the genders</p>
<p>Feminists HATE Men &amp; Women TOGETHER<br />
They HATE it</p>
<p>What is the BEST method to seperate them ? Homosexuality</p>
<p>Especially if you are a homosexual reading this look out &#8230; the feminists are using your sexuality whether you like it or not</p>
<p>&#8216; My outlook is utilitarian. If there is no harm done, it is not immoral. &#8216;</p>
<p>How do you define &#8216; harm &#8216; ? When do you know that &#8216; harm &#8216; is being done ?</p>
<p>This is a bad worldview<br />
I personally don&#8217;t like homosexuality but come on now &#8230;</p>
<p>Feminism wants to destroy Humanity<br />
The unity between Men &amp; Women</p>
<p>And while many homosexuals may not despise the opposite sex guess what ? Homosexuality can turn into a nasty , hateful and segregative tool</p>
<p>Also see all those &#8216;anal sluts&#8217; in porn ? It is a form of submission toward liberalism and most of all gay men</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate gay men but sadly gay men are now &#8221; patriarchs &#8221; &#8230; gay marriage &amp; feminism is being used as a form of hatred and seperation between the genders</p>
<p>Wake up people</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The child will be fine with two lesbian moms.&quot;

I don&#039;t call being separated from one of its birth parents fine.

&quot;The implicit assumption heterosexual males have is that a lesbian, let alone a feminist lesbian, would crush a male’s manhood and turn him into a sissy or a criminal.&quot;

Females do not know how to raise males to be men, the only model of behavior that they can impart is the female model,which is of less than no use for navigating through male society as a man.

Knowing how to sit still,be quiet, and dress well will not keep you from getting mugged,killed, or teach you how to stop the same from happening to a loved one. A female cannot teach a man honor,courage, or selflessness. 

The right kind of woman can,however, inspire certain kinds of men to those things.

I personally believe that it takes a man to teach a man to be a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The child will be fine with two lesbian moms.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t call being separated from one of its birth parents fine.</p>
<p>&#8220;The implicit assumption heterosexual males have is that a lesbian, let alone a feminist lesbian, would crush a male’s manhood and turn him into a sissy or a criminal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Females do not know how to raise males to be men, the only model of behavior that they can impart is the female model,which is of less than no use for navigating through male society as a man.</p>
<p>Knowing how to sit still,be quiet, and dress well will not keep you from getting mugged,killed, or teach you how to stop the same from happening to a loved one. A female cannot teach a man honor,courage, or selflessness. </p>
<p>The right kind of woman can,however, inspire certain kinds of men to those things.</p>
<p>I personally believe that it takes a man to teach a man to be a man.</p>
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